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    Re:Bradford Impresses at Pro Day

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    All I know is that I wish the Vikings would get Bradford and the Rams will take Suh. Obviously that won't happen for the Vikes, but I can dream.... right? I think Sam has great potential in this league and I wish the Vikings could somehow get him.
    That would be scary.

    I'm just hoping that Clausen doesn't slide down. He's a great prospect. If he falls to the 20s and you trade up and groom him for a year behind Favre, you might just be set at QB for a long time.
    What would be scary is everytime Bradford drops back, is worrying if he is gonna get sacked and be done.

    Nope, I would still rather look at a kid in the later rounds as a project. Low cost in dollars. Low cost in picks. Low cost in risk to the organization if the kid doesn't work out.

    Seriously, would you rather have a TJ or a Brady/Lienart/Jamarcus project?

    One didn't cost much and isn't really a big of a deal if he doesn't work out. The other 3 will be affecting thier teams for many years to come my friends and still haven't solved thier teams QB woes.
    And a low chance at actually becoming a good starter. Just look at a couple of recent drafts. Projects usually don't work out that well. Can you think of a "recently" drafted good non-first round QB? Chad Henne, maybe? Kolb has potential, but no one really knows.

    I'm not saying that you should draft Bradford. I can imagine that you don't want a guy who has an injury history. Like I said, though, if Clausen slides into the 20s, you have to figure that some team will make a move for him. And if I where a Vikings fan, I'd be hoping that team would be mine.

    Would you rather have a TJ or a Rodgers, Rivers, Cutler kind of QB?

    I get what you're saying about risks, but it's one you really have to make if you want a young franchise QB.
    Clausen is just a big of a concern as Bradford. Do you realize that his injury that everyone makes light of is the exact same injury that ended Deon Sanders career?

    Trust me, I would jump at the chance to get a real franchise QB in the first round, however, I would also jump at the chance of landing a kid in the lower rounds who has the same talent, just needs to be developed.

    Skelton for instance, comes with no injury baggage. Has a better arm but just needs to refine his craft (especially footwork).

    Seems to me that the only teams considering Bradford and Clausen are the same teams that are always picking at the top of the draft cause they suck at evaluating talent and that includes medical issues.

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    Teams that draft well, all the way through the draft, can quickly get themselves out of this rut. Teams that don't, well, we will be trying to figure out who they should pick next year.

    If they opt to sign a top QB now, and he doens't work out, they will still have him there 3 or 4 years from now while they try to fix thier mess.
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    Re:Bradford Impresses at Pro Day

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    Bradford has bust written all over him, in my opinion.
    I highly doubt that. His only problem will come from injuries.

    But I dont want to see Sam go to the Rams, because if he does then we have to deal with Suh being a Lion.
    He choked during the National Championship game (don't think those 2 INTs weren't key in that loss...) and only played three games his senior year. I just don't see a winner or leader in him.

    Remember, Jamarcus Russel had a great pro-day too.
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    Re:Bradford Impresses at Pro Day

    Marrdro wrote:
    Top 10 teams in 2007.
    1. Raiders
    2. Detroit
    3. Cleveland
    4. Tampa
    5. Arizona
    6. Wash
    7. Vikes
    8. Atlanta
    9. Miami
    10. Houston

    Top 10 teams in 2010
    1. St. Louis (1-15)
    2. Detroit (2-14)
    3. Tampa Bay (3-13)
    4. Washington (4-12)
    5. Kansas City (4-12)
    6. Seattle (5-11)
    7. Cleveland (5-11)
    8. Oakland (5-11)
    9. Buffalo (6-10)
    10. Jacksonville (7-9)

    Teams that draft well, all the way through the draft, can quickly get themselves out of this rut. Teams that don't, well, we will be trying to figure out who they should pick next year.

    If they opt to sign a top QB now, and he doens't work out, they will still have him there 3 or 4 years from now while they try to fix thier mess.
    The last point here is so key. A bad pick in the top 10 sets the organization back at least 2 years and as many at 5.
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    Re:Bradford Impresses at Pro Day

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    I have a heard time believing that the lions will go OL because for some reason they just never do. Hell they wouldnt even get Barry Sanders an OL when they should have. Why would they go and get an OL for Stafford? That is what recievers are for. :huh:
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    I have a heard time believing that the lions will go OL because for some reason they just never do. Hell they wouldnt even get Barry Sanders an OL when they should have. Why would they go and get an OL for Stafford? That is what recievers are for. :huh:
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    Re:Bradford Impresses at Pro Day

    C Mac D wrote:
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    Bradford has bust written all over him, in my opinion.
    I highly doubt that. His only problem will come from injuries.

    But I dont want to see Sam go to the Rams, because if he does then we have to deal with Suh being a Lion.
    He choked during the National Championship game (don't think those 2 INTs weren't key in that loss...) and only played three games his senior year. I just don't see a winner or leader in him.

    Remember, Jamarcus Russel had a great pro-day too.
    Quit citing sources and be an a--hole about it
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    Re:Bradford Impresses at Pro Day

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    I guess the Yutz on the board who was saying Bradford lost millions when he got hurt was a little off.
    He was a lock at #1 if he never got hurt. I think the rams are still going to take him and they should.
    I still don't think it is a done deal but you are correct. If he came out last year he would have been the Lions starter. Now it is still up in the air regardless of what happened at that workout.

    When teams get him alone and can have thier medical dept look at him is when we will know how much he lost.
    Actually ... most scouts still had Stafford No. 1 on their boards last year prior to Bradford saying he was staying. And the way Sanchez shot up, he could have ended up No. 3. He could of ended up No. 1 too, no doubt ... but he is DEFINITELY No. 1 this year and will get a bigger contract than Stafford got last season.

    Hard to argue that his injury cost him "millions."

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    Re:Bradford Impresses at Pro Day

    C Mac D wrote:
    PackSux! wrote:
    C Mac D wrote:
    Bradford has bust written all over him, in my opinion.
    I highly doubt that. His only problem will come from injuries.

    But I dont want to see Sam go to the Rams, because if he does then we have to deal with Suh being a Lion.
    He choked during the National Championship game (don't think those 2 INTs weren't key in that loss...) and only played three games his senior year. I just don't see a winner or leader in him.

    Remember, Jamarcus Russel had a great pro-day too.
    I personally am not all that sold on Bradford either ... but he is the No. 1 QB and that is what the league is built on.

    Just look around the league. P.Manning, E.Manning, Rivers, McNabb, Rodgers, Ryan, Young, Palmer, Flacco, Roethlisberger, Sanchez ... etc. Most of the upper tier teams have top-flight, first-round draft picks at QB. There are some diamonds in the rough ... some unbelievable ones like Brady and Romo. But they are very rare and far between.

    As depth charts sit now ... 18 teams have a first round guy at the top of their charts and 12 have QBs taken in the first 11 picks.

    It is a spot that is more than worth the risk. If you hit ... you are set at the most important position in all of sports for 10+ years. If you miss, you go back to the drawing board and hope to recover. A team like the Vikings can afford the risk even more.

    If Bradford or Clausen were for some unbelievable reason available at No. 30 or in a trade up move for us ... we have to take that risk IMO.

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    Re:Bradford Impresses at Pro Day

    As Mr A said in the yell, everyone should have a good pro day.

    12purplepride28: mccoy had a great pro day apparently. completed all 58 passes and showed "exceptional footwork and accuracy"
    Mr Anderson: Don't read into it too much, I could complete 58 passes in a day if I had 3 months to prepare for it with guys I've played with for 4 years.
    Mr Anderson: Velocity, deep passes, and footwork are all I'd take from a pro-day as a scout
    12purplepride28: I know its not that important, just sayin.
    Mr Anderson: I'm just throwing that out there too. You don't have to justify reporting it. I come off like I'm almost lecturing sometimes, just the way I was taught to write.
    gregair13: you can still have a bad pro day
    Mr Anderson: If you have a bad pro day throwing the ball, you suck, or your mind isn't right.
    Mr Anderson: They have all the time in the world to prepare for it, with the guys they're gonna throw to.
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    Re:Bradford Impresses at Pro Day

    midgensa wrote:
    C Mac D wrote:
    PackSux! wrote:
    C Mac D wrote:
    Bradford has bust written all over him, in my opinion.
    I highly doubt that. His only problem will come from injuries.

    But I dont want to see Sam go to the Rams, because if he does then we have to deal with Suh being a Lion.
    He choked during the National Championship game (don't think those 2 INTs weren't key in that loss...) and only played three games his senior year. I just don't see a winner or leader in him.

    Remember, Jamarcus Russel had a great pro-day too.
    I personally am not all that sold on Bradford either ... but he is the No. 1 QB and that is what the league is built on.

    Just look around the league. P.Manning, E.Manning, Rivers, McNabb, Rodgers, Ryan, Young, Palmer, Flacco, Roethlisberger, Sanchez ... etc. Most of the upper tier teams have top-flight, first-round draft picks at QB. There are some diamonds in the rough ... some unbelievable ones like Brady and Romo. But they are very rare and far between.

    As depth charts sit now ... 18 teams have a first round guy at the top of their charts and 12 have QBs taken in the first 11 picks.

    It is a spot that is more than worth the risk. If you hit ... you are set at the most important position in all of sports for 10+ years. If you miss, you go back to the drawing board and hope to recover. A team like the Vikings can afford the risk even more.

    If Bradford or Clausen were for some unbelievable reason available at No. 30 or in a trade up move for us ... we have to take that risk IMO.
    Yes. I agree 100%. I heard today at work that Tebow was moving up the boards (I haven't researched it, so I'm not sure), too. I wonder how that will affect Clausen/McCoy's status.
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