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    Re:Bears hire Martz to lead offense

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    A lot of deep passes, long developping routes, little involvement of TEs and a lot of passes to the WRs is exactly what that O-line and that offense needs.
    Why would you want little involvement from Greg Olsen? The guy has great hands and led the team in TDs.
    Martz has traditionally not used TEs as passing weapons. He couldn't even get Vernon Davis involved in his offense.
    To be fair he did not have much of a QB to work with in SF. Also, Vernon had a pretty damn good year. 965 yards and 13 TDs is far from not involved. IMO this is a good thing for the Bears.
    I was sarcastic in my post.

    That O-line won't be able to hold up with all those slow developping plays and deep routes. His QB have been sacked an average of somewhere in the high 40s if I'm correct. If anything, this'll cause Cutler to force things even more.

    Vernon had a great year... but that was without Martz. He was the OC there in 2008, when Davis seemed to regress, rather than progress, after his decent sophomore season.

    I see him working around his strongest points in Olsen and Clark and call a lot of plays for their average receivers.

    Like Prophet said, this is a very good hire for the Packers, Lions and Vikings. Secondaries should be licking their chops, already.
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    Re:Bears hire Martz to lead offense

    Unless he can block or catch passes, I doubt he will be much help.

    At least I won't have to watch an obsequious Marshall Faulk stroke Martz' ego, on the NFL network anymore.
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    Re:Bears hire Martz to lead offense

    Rockmolder wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    seaniemck7 wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    Rockmolder wrote:
    A lot of deep passes, long developping routes, little involvement of TEs and a lot of passes to the WRs is exactly what that O-line and that offense needs.
    Why would you want little involvement from Greg Olsen? The guy has great hands and led the team in TDs.
    Martz has traditionally not used TEs as passing weapons. He couldn't even get Vernon Davis involved in his offense.
    To be fair he did not have much of a QB to work with in SF. Also, Vernon had a pretty damn good year. 965 yards and 13 TDs is far from not involved. IMO this is a good thing for the Bears.
    I was sarcastic in my post.

    That O-line won't be able to hold up with all those slow developping plays and deep routes. His QB have been sacked an average of somewhere in the high 40s if I'm correct. If anything, this'll cause Cutler to force things even more.

    Vernon had a great year... but that was without Martz. He was the OC there in 2008, when Davis seemed to regress, rather than progress, after his decent sophomore season.

    I see him working around his strongest points in Olsen and Clark and call a lot of plays for their average receivers.

    Like Prophet said, this is a very good hire for the Packers, Lions and Vikings. Secondaries should be licking their chops, already.
    I remember Davis being injured throughout the season in 2008.

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    Re:Bears hire Martz to lead offense

    marstc09 wrote:
    seaniemck7 wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    Rockmolder wrote:
    A lot of deep passes, long developping routes, little involvement of TEs and a lot of passes to the WRs is exactly what that O-line and that offense needs.
    Why would you want little involvement from Greg Olsen? The guy has great hands and led the team in TDs.
    Martz has traditionally not used TEs as passing weapons. He couldn't even get Vernon Davis involved in his offense.
    To be fair he did not have much of a QB to work with in SF. Also, Vernon had a pretty damn good year. 965 yards and 13 TDs is far from not involved. IMO this is a good thing for the Bears.
    +1, Davis had by far his best year under Martz.

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    jmcdon00 wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    seaniemck7 wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    Rockmolder wrote:
    A lot of deep passes, long developping routes, little involvement of TEs and a lot of passes to the WRs is exactly what that O-line and that offense needs.
    Why would you want little involvement from Greg Olsen? The guy has great hands and led the team in TDs.
    Martz has traditionally not used TEs as passing weapons. He couldn't even get Vernon Davis involved in his offense.
    To be fair he did not have much of a QB to work with in SF. Also, Vernon had a pretty damn good year. 965 yards and 13 TDs is far from not involved. IMO this is a good thing for the Bears.
    +1, Davis had by far his best year under Martz.
    358 yards and 2 TDs while starting and playing in all 16 games?
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    Re:Bears hire Martz to lead offense

    Rockmolder wrote:
    jmcdon00 wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    seaniemck7 wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    Rockmolder wrote:
    A lot of deep passes, long developping routes, little involvement of TEs and a lot of passes to the WRs is exactly what that O-line and that offense needs.
    Why would you want little involvement from Greg Olsen? The guy has great hands and led the team in TDs.
    Martz has traditionally not used TEs as passing weapons. He couldn't even get Vernon Davis involved in his offense.
    To be fair he did not have much of a QB to work with in SF. Also, Vernon had a pretty damn good year. 965 yards and 13 TDs is far from not involved. IMO this is a good thing for the Bears.
    +1, Davis had by far his best year under Martz.
    358 yards and 2 TDs while starting and playing in all 16 games?

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    Re:Bears hire Martz to lead offense

    jmcdon00 wrote:
    Rockmolder wrote:
    jmcdon00 wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    seaniemck7 wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    Rockmolder wrote:
    A lot of deep passes, long developping routes, little involvement of TEs and a lot of passes to the WRs is exactly what that O-line and that offense needs.
    Why would you want little involvement from Greg Olsen? The guy has great hands and led the team in TDs.
    Martz has traditionally not used TEs as passing weapons. He couldn't even get Vernon Davis involved in his offense.
    To be fair he did not have much of a QB to work with in SF. Also, Vernon had a pretty damn good year. 965 yards and 13 TDs is far from not involved. IMO this is a good thing for the Bears.
    +1, Davis had by far his best year under Martz.
    358 yards and 2 TDs while starting and playing in all 16 games?
    Good job on finding that picture.

    Martz wasn't the OC for the 49ers last year, though. He was out of coaching, completely, doing some part time work for NFLN.

    Of course, that was the year that Davis exploded, after having a mediocre year, with the stats I posted, under Martz.

    But feel free to post pictures like that without actually knowing the facts. It makes you look smart.
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    Re:Bears hire Martz to lead offense

    Rockmolder wrote:
    jmcdon00 wrote:
    Rockmolder wrote:
    jmcdon00 wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    seaniemck7 wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    Rockmolder wrote:
    A lot of deep passes, long developping routes, little involvement of TEs and a lot of passes to the WRs is exactly what that O-line and that offense needs.
    Why would you want little involvement from Greg Olsen? The guy has great hands and led the team in TDs.
    Martz has traditionally not used TEs as passing weapons. He couldn't even get Vernon Davis involved in his offense.
    To be fair he did not have much of a QB to work with in SF. Also, Vernon had a pretty damn good year. 965 yards and 13 TDs is far from not involved. IMO this is a good thing for the Bears.
    +1, Davis had by far his best year under Martz.
    358 yards and 2 TDs while starting and playing in all 16 games?
    Good job on finding that picture.

    Martz wasn't the OC for the 49ers last year, though. He was out of coaching, completely, doing some part time work for NFLN.

    Of course, that was the year that Davis exploded, after having a mediocre year, with the stats I posted, under Martz.

    But feel free to post pictures like that without actually knowing the facts. It makes you look smart.
    Rock, I am pretty sure jmc was poking fun at himself. But really Davis in Martz system was regulated to blocking. It could have been due to their inept pass blocking skills. However Martz has never had a productive TE in his offense.

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    Re:Bears hire Martz to lead offense

    Rockmolder wrote:
    jmcdon00 wrote:
    Rockmolder wrote:
    jmcdon00 wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    seaniemck7 wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    Rockmolder wrote:
    A lot of deep passes, long developping routes, little involvement of TEs and a lot of passes to the WRs is exactly what that O-line and that offense needs.
    Why would you want little involvement from Greg Olsen? The guy has great hands and led the team in TDs.
    Martz has traditionally not used TEs as passing weapons. He couldn't even get Vernon Davis involved in his offense.
    To be fair he did not have much of a QB to work with in SF. Also, Vernon had a pretty damn good year. 965 yards and 13 TDs is far from not involved. IMO this is a good thing for the Bears.
    +1, Davis had by far his best year under Martz.
    358 yards and 2 TDs while starting and playing in all 16 games?
    Good job on finding that picture.

    Martz wasn't the OC for the 49ers last year, though. He was out of coaching, completely, doing some part time work for NFLN.

    Of course, that was the year that Davis exploded, after having a mediocre year, with the stats I posted, under Martz.

    But feel free to post pictures like that without actually knowing the facts. It makes you look smart.
    FYI, I'm the penguin. jeez

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    Re:Bears hire Martz to lead offense

    jmcdon00 wrote:
    Rockmolder wrote:
    jmcdon00 wrote:
    Rockmolder wrote:
    jmcdon00 wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    seaniemck7 wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    Rockmolder wrote:
    A lot of deep passes, long developping routes, little involvement of TEs and a lot of passes to the WRs is exactly what that O-line and that offense needs.
    Why would you want little involvement from Greg Olsen? The guy has great hands and led the team in TDs.
    Martz has traditionally not used TEs as passing weapons. He couldn't even get Vernon Davis involved in his offense.
    To be fair he did not have much of a QB to work with in SF. Also, Vernon had a pretty damn good year. 965 yards and 13 TDs is far from not involved. IMO this is a good thing for the Bears.
    +1, Davis had by far his best year under Martz.
    358 yards and 2 TDs while starting and playing in all 16 games?
    Good job on finding that picture.

    Martz wasn't the OC for the 49ers last year, though. He was out of coaching, completely, doing some part time work for NFLN.

    Of course, that was the year that Davis exploded, after having a mediocre year, with the stats I posted, under Martz.

    But feel free to post pictures like that without actually knowing the facts. It makes you look smart.
    FYI, I'm the penguin. jeez
    LOL.

    Whoops.

    It's a somewhat hostile environment for a Packers fan around here. Sarcasm or self mockery are things I don't see quite as fast over here.

    Sorry.
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