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    Re: 08 Picks to Flop

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    Its simple, just state one or more of the players you think are going to be a bust for any team. It could be a Resigning, a FA signing or just a player who is expected to breakout.

    Which NFL players do you think will be a flop and a dissapointment to their teams this year?



    I will start it out with one player....

    Michael Turner for the Atlantic Falcons. I think Norwood will turn out better then Turner. Turner is no better then average from when I have seen him play. Its easy to have a 5 yard carry when your running behind the best back in the league.
    Memo had a 5 yard per carry average as well...

    LOL! That is totally ridiculous! You think just because another RB on the team gets more YPC than a guy that averages 5.5 YPC, then that RB is a bust or mediocre?

    I'm sorry, but all that means is you have two gol 'darnit good running backs on your team.

    Memo had a 5.7 YPC last year & a 5.5 YPC in 2006. It has absolutely nothing to do with AD or Taylor being on the team. Granted Memo isn't any every down back, but when he has the ball he's going to put up numbers.

    No one getting more than 5 YPC that gets several carries a game should ever be considered mediocre or a bust. Many teams would kill to have a RB that will do that.
    ??? When did I say that? I said that being LTs backup helped Turner get the impressive YPC that he has.

    Memo had a 5.7 ypc on 20 attempts amd 5.5 on 24 attempts. When he went with 144 carries he had a 4.7 ypc. Quite a few of those carries were on a third down, or a down that the opposing D were not expecting a run. He was a good back up. I GREAT backup, but he wasn't a back that could carry the load. Your outa your head if you think Memo is a great RB. His versatility made him more appealing then his ability as a RB. I think we can agree his YPC would have taken a serious hit if he had gotten the attention of a first string RB.

    Just like I don't think CT could have had a 5.4 ypc if AD hadn't been on the team.




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    Re: 08 Picks to Flop

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    Re: 08 Picks to Flop

    in 2004, as a rookie, moore was called upon to start when injuries hurt us at runningback.
    This was also the year Moss went down at the same time, so defenses could key in on the run.
    During that season, he had 65 carries, 375 yards for a 5.8 ypc average.
    Pretty decent, especially as a rookie.
    Enter 2005 Birk out, line sucks, PP.O is calling for a new runningback, mainly either make a rediculous trade for Reggie Bush, or get Deangelo Williams or Laurence Maroney.
    anyway, line sucks, Moores stats take a hit, he gets more action, but is injured this season for some games, only puts up a 4.3 ypc average.
    still respectable, considering we were one of the worst run teams in the league.
    in 2006 and 2007, Moore doesn't start anymore games, but gets his average back up above 5 ypc.


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    Wow ... this thread is completely all over the place. For what the thread is titled ... there was an awful lot of time turning it into a MeMo and B.B. thread :-)
    I am not sure about this question. I don't think it is fair to label any draft pick a bust in their first year ... so I am going to stay away from them.
    I think a couple of moves standout. I don't think Michael Turner is going to be great ... I don't think Justin Smith was a great move for the Niners, but I really think that the Raiders are going to regret putting so much money into DeAngelo Hall.
    This guy has great hands and raw speed, but he is always looking for the home run and has (since college) always been a sucker for the double move. I think Oakland is going to wish they had not made this move before long.

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    Re: 08 Picks to Flop

    "davike" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "davike" wrote:
    Its simple, just state one or more of the players you think are going to be a bust for any team. It could be a Resigning, a FA signing or just a player who is expected to breakout.

    Which NFL players do you think will be a flop and a dissapointment to their teams this year?



    I will start it out with one player....

    Michael Turner for the Atlantic Falcons. I think Norwood will turn out better then Turner. Turner is no better then average from when I have seen him play. Its easy to have a 5 yard carry when your running behind the best back in the league.
    Memo had a 5 yard per carry average as well...

    LOL! That is totally ridiculous! You think just because another RB on the team gets more YPC than a guy that averages 5.5 YPC, then that RB is a bust or mediocre?

    I'm sorry, but all that means is you have two gol 'darnit good running backs on your team.

    Memo had a 5.7 YPC last year & a 5.5 YPC in 2006. It has absolutely nothing to do with AD or Taylor being on the team. Granted Memo isn't any every down back, but when he has the ball he's going to put up numbers.

    No one getting more than 5 YPC that gets several carries a game should ever be considered mediocre or a bust. Many teams would kill to have a RB that will do that.
    ??? When did I say that? I said that being LTs backup helped Turner get the impressive YPC that he has.

    Memo had a 5.7 ypc on 20 attempts amd 5.5 on 24 attempts. When he went with 144 carries he had a 4.7 ypc. Quite a few of those carries were on a third down, or a down that the opposing D were not expecting a run. He was a good back up. I GREAT backup, but he wasn't a back that could carry the load. Your outa your head if you think Memo is a great RB. His versatility made him more appealing then his ability as a RB. I think we can agree his YPC would have taken a serious hit if he had gotten the attention of a first string RB.

    Just like I don't think CT could have had a 5.4 ypc if AD hadn't been on the team.
    Why do you think the only reason a RB gets good yards is because a stud is on the team? It's not like they were on the field at the same time when those backs got that average. They were on the bench.
    Taylor gained decent yards when AD was stopped cold. He also rushed for over 1200 yards when AD was still in college. Granted MeMo didn't have a lot of carries but that was because he wasn't given the ball a lot the past two years. But every time they did. He got good yards.

    He needs that opportunity to be part of a tandem back team & Pittsburgh will give him that chance.

    In both MN & SD cases, you have a front line that can run block & open holes. That is another reason you will see good backs & more than one of them getting big yards. A lot of credit must go to them. Had we not drafted AD, I still think you would have seen those averages out of Taylor & Memo regardless. IMO, MeMo has always been under rated, primarily because as I stated before he is not an every down back. But in todays game, tandem backs are more common, which is something I said we should be running 3 years ago when Bennett was here.

    He averaged 4.3 yards in 2005 & 5.8 yards in 2004
    before AD & Taylor were even there.

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    Re: 08 Picks to Flop

    "singersp" wrote:
    "davike" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "davike" wrote:
    Its simple, just state one or more of the players you think are going to be a bust for any team. It could be a Resigning, a FA signing or just a player who is expected to breakout.

    Which NFL players do you think will be a flop and a dissapointment to their teams this year?



    I will start it out with one player....

    Michael Turner for the Atlantic Falcons. I think Norwood will turn out better then Turner. Turner is no better then average from when I have seen him play. Its easy to have a 5 yard carry when your running behind the best back in the league.
    Memo had a 5 yard per carry average as well...

    LOL! That is totally ridiculous! You think just because another RB on the team gets more YPC than a guy that averages 5.5 YPC, then that RB is a bust or mediocre?

    I'm sorry, but all that means is you have two gol 'darnit good running backs on your team.

    Memo had a 5.7 YPC last year & a 5.5 YPC in 2006. It has absolutely nothing to do with AD or Taylor being on the team. Granted Memo isn't any every down back, but when he has the ball he's going to put up numbers.

    No one getting more than 5 YPC that gets several carries a game should ever be considered mediocre or a bust. Many teams would kill to have a RB that will do that.
    ??? When did I say that? I said that being LTs backup helped Turner get the impressive YPC that he has.

    Memo had a 5.7 ypc on 20 attempts amd 5.5 on 24 attempts. When he went with 144 carries he had a 4.7 ypc. Quite a few of those carries were on a third down, or a down that the opposing D were not expecting a run. He was a good back up. I GREAT backup, but he wasn't a back that could carry the load. Your outa your head if you think Memo is a great RB. His versatility made him more appealing then his ability as a RB. I think we can agree his YPC would have taken a serious hit if he had gotten the attention of a first string RB.

    Just like I don't think CT could have had a 5.4 ypc if AD hadn't been on the team.
    Why do you think the only reason a RB gets good yards is because a stud is on the team? It's not like they were on the field at the same time when those backs got that average. They were on the bench.
    Taylor gained decent yards when AD was stopped cold. He also rushed for over 1200 yards when AD was still in college. Granted MeMo didn't have a lot of carries but that was because he wasn't given the ball a lot the past two years. But every time they did. He got good yards.

    He needs that opportunity to be part of a tandem back team & Pittsburgh will give him that chance.

    In both MN & SD cases, you have a front line that can run block & open holes. That is another reason you will see good backs & more than one of them getting big yards. A lot of credit must go to them. Had we not drafted AD, I still think you would have seen those averages out of Taylor & Memo regardless. IMO, MeMo has always been under rated, primarily because as I stated before he is not an every down back. But in todays game, tandem backs are more common, which is something I said we should be running 3 years ago when Bennett was here.

    He averaged 4.3 yards in 2005 & 5.8 yards in 2004
    before AD & Taylor were even there.
    I am a big CT fan, and always will be. But if it weren't for AD taking some of the carries off him I think he ypc would have dropped. CT had 1200 yards, but his ypc wasn't that impressive. I realize that our line wasn't exactly to impressive that year. Just like I think Memo wouldn't be good as a featured back. He would be a good tandem back, like you said. But thats not my argument.

    I agree that the line obviously has something to do with it.

    Many of Memos carries were on extremely long downs. Its sort of like judging a QB on how he passes when the other team is ahead by miles and their D is playing deep coverage. Do I think Memo is a playmaker? Yeah! But he won't hold up if he is given the ball to much.

    When players like AD/LT get off the field defenses aren't expecting the run so much. I don't think that if a player gets a good ypc at the years end he is a play maker.

    Hell, Artoise Pinner had like a 9.2 ypc. A. Bradshaw had around a 8.3 ypc. Jerome Harrison had a 6.2 ypc. Dede Dorsey had a 8.7 ypc. Does that mean that they are out standing RBs?


    I think Michael Turner YPC is almost decieving and I don't think he is going to come close to that this year.

    That was the thing that got this started, some how its on Memo now. I think VQ is holding a gun to your head making you right this

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    Players mentioned in this thread:

    Michael Turner - WRONG
    Matt Ryan - WRONG
    Berrian - Debateable. He is on pace for 49 catches, 980 yards, and 6 TDs
    McFadden - Maybe
    Jamarcus Russel - Developing slowly
    Aaron Rodgers - WRONG
    Long - Maybe
    Desean Jackson - WRONG
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    Re: 08 Picks to Flop

    "davike" wrote:
    Which NFL players do you think will be a flop and a dissapointment to their teams this year?



    I will start it out with one player....

    Michael Turner for the Atlantic Falcons. I think Norwood will turn out better then Turner. Turner is no better then average from when I have seen him play. Its easy to have a 5 yard carry when your running behind the best back in the league.
    Memo had a 5 yard per carry average as well...
    I have to say you missed on this one "davike". Michael Turner is doing great and he's 3rd in the league in rushing yards. He has the most rushing TDs in the NFL. two more than the guy in 2nd place. Personally, I didn't even think he was gonna be that good, but the bggest surprise is that he's even better than Ladanian Tomlinson. I think the Chargers would have been a better team keeping Turner and letting LT go instead.

    As we're talking about running backs... I thought that Darren McFadden was very overrated coming into the draft (especially considering how people said that he could have a monster-rookie year like AD had), but I guess it's a little late for me to say this considering we're over half-way through the season. I'm not saying that he's a bust, but he was not the best rookie RB coming out of college in 2008.

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